NAT – Núcleo de Arte e Tecnologia
Ricardo Hage / Bedu Ariantho em encontro OnLine com o artista Lance Kano / Florian Kuhlmann
Art Space no Design Island
6/7/2007
17:00 (São Paulo)


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Inglês
Art installation incl. RL-SL stream at art space, DEsign Island
Culturegion 198, 36, 111 (Mature)
Opening on Friday 10 AM PDT

'MY multiple hybridSPACEs'
Art installation at DEsign Island :: art space.
And in the same time in RL at Gallery "Zeche Zollverein", Essen, Germany.
lance kanno has been a tecci and programmer and is a professional artist now. he is interested in the relation between web and space and the phaenomina of hybidspace. In his first complete solo show in SL he presents his works at art space in SL and in the same time in RL at the famous "Zeche Zollverein" in Essen, Germany. A datastream connects both worlds.

Further Information:
www.myspace.com/floriankuhlmann
www.pact-zollverein.de
for information about DEsign Island :: art space please IM "Helfe Ihnen"

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Alemão
Kunst Installation inkl. RL-SL Stream at art space, DEsign Island
Culturegion 198, 36, 111 (Mature)
Vernissage am Freitag den 25.5. 19:00 Uhr

lance kanno / florian kuhlmann war fr¸her techniker und programmierer und ist mittlerweile†professioneller k¸nstler. die wechselseitige verbindung zwischen netz und raum und das ph‰nomen hybridraum sind thema der arbeiten und projekte der letzen monate. bei artspace zeigt er seine erste komplette einzelausstellung in sl. gleichzeitig pr‰sentiert er eine installation im rahmen der ausstellung feldst‰rke in der zeche zollverein, essen. zwischen beiden orten wird ¸ber videolivestreaming verbindung bestehen. besucher beider ausstellungsorte kˆnnen miteinander in kontakt treten.

weitere informationen:
www.myspace.com/floriankuhlmann
www.pact-zollverein.de
Wegen Informationen ¸ber DEsign Island :: art space bitte IM an "Helfe Ihnen"


Desgravação do evento/ Histórico de Chat
(You= Bedu Ariantho, avatar de Ricardo Hage)

[12:54] A group member named Helfe Ihnen gave you art space :: Show : Lance Kanno , Culturegion (198, 35, 111).
[12:54] Visitor Counter 1.8: Hello on DEsign Island for Art and Design. We are under construction but feel free to look around.
[12:55] SuperTeleport Base 2: Teleport beam timed out. Please try again.
[12:56] Visitor Counter 1.8: Welcome Bedu Ariantho. You have been counted.
[12:56] Helfe Ihnen: movie player is at the bottom of your screen
[12:56] Carstanius Fredriksson: not on my screen - is there a view thing going on?
[12:57] Visitor Counter 1.8: Welcome Pecer Boa. You have been counted.
[12:57] Helfe Ihnen: there should be a little grey thing
[12:57] Helfe Ihnen: if not find your preferences and allow to play vido
[12:57] Helfe Ihnen: video
[12:57] Carstanius Fredriksson: should be on now
[12:57] Epicea Eilde: sory rl
[12:57] Lance Kanno: ich darf nicht nackt: :)
[12:57] Epicea Eilde: i'm back
[12:57] Epicea Eilde: :))
[12:58] Lance Kanno: hello
[12:58] illusion Igaly: hi everybody
[12:58] Helfe Ihnen: Hello Lance
[12:58] You (Bedu): Hi
[12:58] Lance Kanno: welcom everybody
[12:58] Carstanius Fredriksson: relog i guess
[12:58] Lance Kanno: i am still working on the background image
[12:58] Helfe Ihnen: I can recognize a collage bt which one is it?
[12:59] Lance Kanno: you have to find out
[12:59] Lance Kanno: plz
[12:59] drew Lubezki est· Offline
[12:59] Carstanius Fredriksson: mybe its becouse i dont have quicktime
[12:59] Carstanius Fredriksson: yet
[13:00] Lance Kanno: you need quicktime
[13:00] Notecard Provider 1.0 gave you 'Art Installation at art space, DEsign Island May 25. 07' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Culturegion/197/38/110 ).
[13:00] Epicea Eilde: back back
[13:00] Epicea Eilde: :))
[13:00] Helfe Ihnen: ok hi everybody nice to have you here
[13:00] Pecer Boa: hi
[13:00] Epicea Eilde: come rufux
[13:00] Epicea Eilde: hello Pecer
[13:00] Helfe Ihnen: you can see Florian on the stream screen and lance his AV here
[13:01] Helfe Ihnen: use the chance to ask him about the work and have fun
[13:01] Lance Kanno: did anybody start the quicktie?
[13:01] Epicea Eilde: RL
[13:01] Epicea Eilde: sorry
[13:01] Lance Kanno: nice to meet you all here
[13:01] Lance Kanno: i am still in change
[13:02] Helfe Ihnen: Florian can speak too, but there will be a lag of about 7 sec
[13:02] Helfe Ihnen: Hey Lance we want to see your girlfriend
[13:03] Helfe Ihnen: Hi Oda, bad girl grrrr
[13:03] Lance Kanno: so its time for business
[13:03] Lance Kanno: hybridbusinness
[13:03] Oda Onmura: Hi Helfe!
[13:03] Oda Onmura: Thank you for not ejecting me out of your group.
[13:03] Helfe Ihnen: he talks about business but his work can be downloaded for free
[13:04] Helfe Ihnen: you should check the www pages
[13:04] Lance Kanno: did you wathc the exhibition?
[13:04] Visitor Counter 1.8: Welcome Davina Glitter. You have been counted.
[13:04] illusion Igaly: yes
[13:04] Teja Merlin: yes
[13:05] Lance Kanno: so perhaps there are some questions to the work?
[13:05] Carstanius Fredriksson: am i the only one without sound?
[13:06] Helfe Ihnen: I have sound Carstanius
[13:06] Helfe Ihnen: volume up?
[13:07] Helfe Ihnen: ok lance tell us, why do you made the collages for free
[13:07] Helfe Ihnen: ?
[13:08] Lance Kanno: good question
[13:08] Lance Kanno: was a decision after a long process
[13:08] Lance Kanno: first of all i decided to show them only in a digital way
[13:09] Lance Kanno: because they are produced inside the machine and all parts are part of the net, came from the net
[13:09] Helfe Ihnen: ok
[13:09] Lance Kanno: theres no step in th eprocess outside digitalworld
[13:09] Helfe Ihnen: Hi Shanta, do see the stream?
[13:10] Lance Kanno: if you decide to present them only in a digital way you run into certain problems about copyrigth and reprodiction
[13:10] Oda Onmura: Lance, what does money mean for You?
[13:10] Lance Kanno: you eed money to survive
[13:10] Lance Kanno: need
[13:11] SuperTeleport Base 2 whispers: Destination selection timed out. Click the base to try again.
[13:11] Shanta Fargis: So do you hope earning money with exhibiting your art here?
[13:11] Lance Kanno: ist good to have makes things easie for you
[13:11] Lance Kanno: hm
[13:11] Lance Kanno: no all these images are for free
[13:12] Lance Kanno: you can download them from my webside
[13:12] Oda Onmura: Your work seems to have certain ascpects that connect to money, am I right?
[13:12] Lance Kanno: so it doenst make sense to sell them here
[13:12] Lance Kanno: yes ofcause economie is the leading power
[13:13] Lance Kanno: we cant ignore it
[13:13] Lance Kanno: i think our whole culture is running on this matrix
[13:13] Oda Onmura: Do you se yourself as a part of the economy? Or are you a rebellion against economy as we see it now?
[13:13] Lance Kanno: we all are part of the economy
[13:14] Lance Kanno: there is no outside in a globalized world
[13:15] Helfe Ihnen: hould be L
[13:15] Lance Kanno: i dont know if i am a rebellion
[13:15] Lance Kanno: i try to think about new ways of playing with money
[13:15] Oda Onmura: Would you not like to be? I would *smile*
[13:15] Lance Kanno: like i did in the multiple-concept
[13:16] Lance Kanno: you mean would not like to bee a rebellion?
[13:16] Oda Onmura: Yup, wouldn't you like to break the rule?
[13:17] Oda Onmura: I am very happy because in SL, I don't have to work.
[13:17] Oda Onmura: Just play.
[13:17] Lance Kanno: the question is what means rebellion
[13:17] Oda Onmura: To quote a famous artist: good question.
[13:18] You (Bedu): Rebellion against "what"!, I suppose.
[13:18] Lance Kanno: of cause if we see the images from heiligendamm today, with all the colourfull peacefull poeple , iam very happy
[13:18] Lance Kanno: yes against what
[13:18] Lance Kanno: and in what way
[13:19] Lance Kanno: i think capitalsim is a problem today, we all know it. specialy the one from us with no high-income
[13:20] You (Bedu): What about other kind of systems, like , let's say, contemporary artworld?
[13:20] Lance Kanno: soory i dont understand the context of your question?
[13:21] illusion Igaly: KEITH Haring said "the art market is the most corrupt in the world " and I do agree
[13:21] Lance Kanno: absolutely
[13:21] Lance Kanno: :)
[13:22] Lance Kanno: perhaps this a reason i give my images away for free
[13:22] Oda Onmura: So, how about a rebellion against the corrupt art market?
[13:22] You (Bedu): Oh, ok. I think capitalism as a system, but there's others systems like the art system.
[13:22] You (Bedu): Yes, that is!
[13:23] Helfe Ihnen: I think one of the great things to do art in SL is, that you dont need money here
[13:23] Helfe Ihnen: nearly no
[13:24] hari Kamachi: you have to be part of the economy
[13:24] Lance Kanno: i think art could be the last power against this globalized culture of capitalism in the way max weber describes it
[13:24] Carstanius Fredriksson: should we talk about systems - it think all things are more like a process - the capitalism we see today is different from the one in 1960 ?
[13:25] Carstanius Fredriksson: so the process is different becouse companies and people think different today than they did in 1960
[13:25] hari Kamachi: yes, more sophisticated
[13:25] Helfe Ihnen: yes Carstaniius i think it is
[13:25] You (Bedu): Yes
[13:25] Helfe Ihnen: we have a bigger gap between rich and poor people
[13:25] Lance Kanno: did you read max weber 'protestantic ethic and the idea of capitalism"?
[13:25] hari Kamachi: and therfore more insidious
[13:26] Carstanius Fredriksson: yes - but at the same time workers are making more money i china
[13:26] Carstanius Fredriksson: and creating a middelclass in that sociaty
[13:26] hari Kamachi: the capitalist machine exports itself
[13:27] Oda Onmura: Lance, please put this in relation to your images in this exhition.
[13:27] Helfe Ihnen: what is mor, I ve seen that there live 4 People in a room of 12 squremeters working 15 hours far away from their families
[13:27] Rufux Snook: I have to go. Thank you Lance an Helfe for a good ntroduce. :)))
[13:28] Helfe Ihnen: bye rufux hope to see you back
[13:28] Rufux Snook: Yes I be back By all :)
[13:28] Lance Kanno: what interest me ist the combination of the culture of capitlism - which means always more efficiemce - and technology
[13:28] Lance Kanno: by rufux
[13:28] hari Kamachi: efficiency is a chimera
[13:29] Lance Kanno: capitalism is not new
[13:29] Lance Kanno: we have had it thousands of years ago
[13:30] Helfe Ihnen: lance I m not shure that the main interest of your exhibit here is capitalism
[13:30] Lance Kanno: but at the moment there is a stramge thinking of always increase the economicoutput
[13:30] Helfe Ihnen: can you say something about the use of media
[13:30] hari Kamachi: the only industry left in UK is the art industry
[13:30] You (Bedu): Yes, it could be interesting
[13:31] Helfe Ihnen: you work in RL and SL and you combine it- why?
[13:31] Lance Kanno: media is the channel to spread this culture i try to describe
[13:31] Lance Kanno: and now we are in the media
[13:31] Lance Kanno: at this moment
[13:31] Lance Kanno: and we can use it and transform it
[13:31] Lance Kanno: in the way would like to
[13:32] Lance Kanno: i would say i see media is the surface of our cultural system
[13:32] Oda Onmura: How would you like to have the media?
[13:32] Oda Onmura: What is the intention of your use?
[13:32] Helfe Ihnen: I would like to know the country we all are from can you all type them please ?
[13:32] Helfe Ihnen: Germany
[13:32] Lance Kanno: germany
[13:32] hari Kamachi: UK
[13:32] You (Bedu): Brazil
[13:32] spinster Voom: uk
[13:32] Carstanius Fredriksson: Denmark
[13:32] illusion Igaly: germany
[13:33] Oda Onmura: Germany
[13:33] Teja Merlin: germany
[13:33] Helfe Ihnen: thank you
[13:33] Lance Kanno: thats cool ,
[13:33] Lance Kanno: very imternational
[13:33] Helfe Ihnen: we can sit and talk together
[13:33] Lance Kanno: this is what i like in sl
[13:33] Lance Kanno: its a global place
[13:33] Helfe Ihnen: even if its a little difficuilt with Chat
[13:33] Lance Kanno: we are all global players too
[13:34] wolfgeng Hienrichs: yeah .. we global players
[13:34] You (Bedu): No space, no time, no problem :)
[13:34] illusion Igaly: :=) :=) :=)
[13:34] Carstanius Fredriksson: only lack of sleep is a problem
[13:34] Lance Kanno: i like the idea
[13:34] hari Kamachi: Lance, you said something about surface and media, what about depth?
[13:34] Lance Kanno: where do you see depth in th emedia today? :)
[13:35] Helfe Ihnen: hi conny
[13:35] Conny Colman: Hi Helfe
[13:35] hari Kamachi: that is what i was asking
[13:35] Lance Kanno: i miss it
[13:35] Oda Onmura: Read a book!
[13:35] Oda Onmura: Go to an art exhibition!
[13:36] Visitor Counter 1.8: Welcome celeb Tomsen. You have been counted.
[13:36] Shanta Fargis: helde ihne - ich habe noch eine wichtige frage
[13:36] Carstanius Fredriksson: isnt the big difference that in earlier times u where a part of a class system and the individual got thier identety from thier class
[13:36] Marianne Sewell: hello everyone
[13:37] Lance Kanno: what class we are now?
[13:37] Conny Colman: Hallo
[13:37] Shanta Fargis: hey helfe ihnen . . .
[13:37] Helfe Ihnen: Hey Shanta
[13:37] Shanta Fargis: hi
[13:38] Shanta Fargis: do you have a minute for me
[13:38] Carstanius Fredriksson: today - like in SL there is no class - we are all creators of our onw history and ideolegy - hence we might be overpower by allway creating a great story about our life
[13:38] Shanta Fargis: how does it go - never did it before
[13:38] Shanta Fargis: ach ja genau!
[13:38] Shanta Fargis: stimmt
[13:39] Shanta Fargis: Sag mal wo haben wir noch mal die Bilder von Gazira BAbeli gesehen
[13:39] You (Bedu): Anyone could translate that?
[13:39] Lance Kanno: i think the intersting thing of our times is, that the terns are not working anymore correctly
[13:40] Oda Onmura: Hehe, tell that to the Lindens!
[13:40] illusion Igaly: i think every generation was thinking this perhaps...
[13:40] Oda Onmura: They have very strict classes for avatars.
[13:40] Lance Kanno: class is a term from a very old discurse
[13:40] Oda Onmura: Just depends on the money you pay them.
[13:40] spinster Voom: there is class here
[13:40] Oda Onmura: Are media the new opium for the masses?
[13:40] Helfe Ihnen: Bedu we talked in german about something other
[13:41] Helfe Ihnen: wasnt this interesting
[13:41] spinster Voom: premium vs basic vs unverified
[13:41] You (Bedu): AH, ok...:)
[13:41] Lance Kanno: yes but i think, class is coneccted to strong and lod discurse about capitalism and communism
[13:41] Epicea Eilde: hi again all
[13:41] Epicea Eilde: ::))
[13:41] spinster Voom: then there's all the stuff with kid avies and furries being given a bad time
[13:41] Helfe Ihnen: did you had a sleep Epicea
[13:41] Helfe Ihnen: :))
[13:41] Epicea Eilde: hehe
[13:42] Epicea Eilde: no, i have eaten rl
[13:42] Epicea Eilde: *smiles*
[13:42] Oda Onmura: Brings me back to my theme "rebellion". You can support the status quo or you can try to change it.
[13:43] Lance Kanno: hm i think ist a difficult discussion
[13:43] Lance Kanno: especially over chat
[13:43] Carstanius Fredriksson: ohh yes
[13:43] Visitor Counter 1.8: Welcome ishwish Planer. You have been counted.
[13:43] Epicea Eilde: hi ish
[13:43] Epicea Eilde: si t down
[13:43] You (Bedu): I'd like to try if I had a better english...
[13:43] Lance Kanno: wow
[13:43] ishwish Planer: Hi !
[13:44] ishwish Planer: Hello! :-)
[13:44] Lance Kanno: but wat do you think about this iamges about the hybridspace
[13:44] Epicea Eilde: sit down ish
[13:44] Lance Kanno: ?
[13:44] Helfe Ihnen: What do you think about this experiment...
[13:44] Epicea Eilde: it's better
[13:44] Epicea Eilde: :)))
[13:44] Lance Kanno: this experiment about hybridpace
[13:44] Helfe Ihnen: does it work to discuss here with Chat and streaming?
[13:45] Carstanius Fredriksson: lance>> do u think the concept of art is changing into the more old definition - like a craft?
[13:45] Oda Onmura: I am irritated by the rl tie and shirt combination. lol
[13:45] ishwish Planer: Good question about art and craft
[13:45] spinster Voom: lol that's a great tie!
[13:45] Lance Kanno: no
[13:46] Lance Kanno: i believe the future in art belongs to the amateurs
[13:46] Shanta Fargis: helfe ihnen - bist du da?
[13:46] Helfe Ihnen: thats a interesting thesis
[13:46] Carstanius Fredriksson: in the media world?
[13:46] ishwish Planer: Why do you think that Lance?
[13:46] Helfe Ihnen: I dont think so, but it would be great
[13:47] illusion Igaly: it has yet already moved to the individuums..
[13:47] illusion Igaly: individuums (not amateurs
[13:47] Epicea Eilde: u'are right illusion
[13:47] Epicea Eilde: i'm agree with u
[13:47] Lance Kanno: you can make great artwork especcially in the field of media with easy tools
[13:48] Helfe Ihnen: We are in web 2.0 now but the counts of active people in SL are bad, say some studys
[13:48] ishwish Planer: What will happen to the dedicated artists who have spent their life developing high skills?
[13:48] Lance Kanno: i see art as concept
[13:48] Oda Onmura: Does art belong to ANYONE?
[13:48] Lance Kanno: as we said before as a system i some way
[13:48] Oda Onmura: Is it a thing to own?
[13:48] Helfe Ihnen: I think a great quality needs great skills and a lot of work
[13:48] Epicea Eilde: but concept don't mean "amator"
[13:49] Lance Kanno: sofor me its a decision to work in and on the system
[13:49] Helfe Ihnen: thats not a thing for everybody
[13:49] ishwish Planer: Exactly
[13:49] Lance Kanno: i dont know if you need high skills, do you?
[13:49] ishwish Planer: I look at art as more of a quality of communication
[13:49] Davina Glitter: You may poses the physical form but never the emotion behind the art when the viewer observes the art
[13:49] illusion Igaly: real paintings will survive they have their own lives
[13:50] illusion Igaly: there are so many kinds of different art
[13:50] Lance Kanno: i dont think painting will disappaer
[13:50] ishwish Planer: I think skill will always be necessarry for good art. The skill sets change though.
[13:51] Epicea Eilde: "good art"..
[13:51] Epicea Eilde: ??
[13:51] Lance Kanno: isnt it the idea the matters?
[13:51] Epicea Eilde: what's the good art??
[13:51] Epicea Eilde: it's like "good photo"
[13:51] Epicea Eilde: :((
[13:51] ishwish Planer: Good art for me is a "quality of communicartiom"
[13:51] Helfe Ihnen: the idea is the most important but it has to be performed in a way that works
[13:51] Lance Kanno: if you find good craftsman or specialized machine you make pretty nice objects and images
[13:51] You (Bedu): Lance, do you need skills to build concepts or the concept obligates you to find skills in your work?
[13:51] Epicea Eilde: not for me, i don't know "good art"
[13:52] Epicea Eilde: art is art
[13:52] Helfe Ihnen: Yes ishwisch but the communication with art speak
[13:52] Lance Kanno: bedu, puh difficult question...
[13:52] Epicea Eilde: right helfe
[13:52] ishwish Planer: There is art and there is craft...there is a difference.
[13:52] Helfe Ihnen: I read a interview with IsaGenzken today, german artst bienale,
[13:52] spinster Voom: please define ishwish
[13:52] hari Kamachi: what didi she say?
[13:52] You (Bedu): I know, just think about.
[13:53] Helfe Ihnen: she said speaking with language and speaking with art is totaly different
[13:53] hari Kamachi: yes
[13:53] Epicea Eilde: there are cods
[13:53] Epicea Eilde: codes
[13:53] Epicea Eilde: it's emilogical
[13:53] Visitor Counter 1.8: Welcome Emil Weissenberger. You have been counted.
[13:53] Epicea Eilde: semiological*
[13:53] Lance Kanno: bedu: i could not define the skills i need todo y work
[13:54] Lance Kanno: does this answer your question?
[13:54] illusion Igaly: Ich halte es mit Beuys : jeder Mensch ist ein K¸nstler
[13:54] ishwish Planer: Art per my definition has a certian quality that inspires and engages the higher tought processes
[13:54] Marianne Sewell: each culture has is own codeÖ european, african, asian, etc. and each time too
[13:54] hari Kamachi: jeder Kunstler ist ein mensch?
[13:54] You (Bedu): Ok, It's just the eternal paradox about language and tecnics.
[13:55] Lance Kanno: bdeu: i send a message through stream.
[13:55] Epicea Eilde: yes Marianne, and multiplicity of the art
[13:55] Helfe Ihnen: I think this sentence of beuys is misunderstood often
[13:55] Epicea Eilde: is it really a paradoxe?
[13:55] You (Bedu): I saw and got a Pic! Thanks.
[13:55] hari Kamachi: language is a form of techne
[13:55] ishwish Planer: I don't think there really is a paradox
[13:56] ishwish Planer: All communication requres a medium of some sort in this reality :-)
[13:56] Epicea Eilde: what sentence of Beuys helfe?
[13:56] You (Bedu): I see.
[13:56] Helfe Ihnen: The one of "Every Human Being is a artist"
[13:57] Epicea Eilde: ok, ok
[13:57] Oda Onmura: Has Lance left the building?
[13:57] Carstanius Fredriksson: maybe - unless one meditates - like ZEN state
[13:57] Epicea Eilde: beuys was also a chaman
[13:57] ishwish Planer: I think everyone being an "artist" is not really correct.
[13:57] hari Kamachi: every message requires a reciever and a sender, but often the interesting message is the on ethat gets redirectde
[13:57] Epicea Eilde: very good hari
[13:58] Epicea Eilde: it's the semiology of art
[13:58] Oda Onmura: I see
[13:58] Helfe Ihnen: yes hari youre right
[13:58] Epicea Eilde: and communication
[13:58] Epicea Eilde: it's like a "dialogue" between object, the artist and viewers
[13:59] Epicea Eilde: we need the three
[13:59] Carstanius Fredriksson: so we can establish that art i communication on different levels?
[13:59] You (Bedu): Lance is logging in...
[13:59] Epicea Eilde: and sometimes, we have only artist!!
[13:59] You (Bedu): He is having problems...
[13:59] Oda Onmura: And sometimes the artist can not logg in! LOL
[13:59] Marianne Sewell: lol
[13:59] Epicea Eilde: some artists are theirself the concept of their work
[13:59] Helfe Ihnen: hey lance cool tha you are visible
[14:00] Helfe Ihnen: use voice
[14:00] ishwish Planer: I think art by deffinition is a higher level of communication ...it is a "quality".
[14:00] Epicea Eilde: work is artist, and artist is his work
[14:00] spinster Voom: there ya go, sometimes the best communication is pen and paper!
[14:00] You (Bedu): The stream is working but I suppose he cannot see us
[14:00] Lance Kanno: hi agan
[14:00] spinster Voom: here he is!
[14:00] spinster Voom: wb
[14:00] ishwish Planer: I find the best medium of art for me is is improvisational music
[14:00] Lance Kanno: sorry had problems
[14:01] Epicea Eilde: np
[14:01] Epicea Eilde: :)))
[14:01] ishwish Planer: Actually discussing these things is like trying to compare apples to oranges. :-)
[14:01] Oda Onmura: Lance, before I have to leave, comment on your SL work beeing doomed to disapear sooner or later.
[14:01] Epicea Eilde: :))
[14:02] Epicea Eilde: u'are right Oda
[14:02] You (Bedu): Yes
[14:02] Lance Kanno: sorry what do you mean?
[14:02] Epicea Eilde: your work
[14:02] Lance Kanno: ah ok
[14:02] Epicea Eilde: here
[14:02] Oda Onmura: Well most artworks are made to last.
[14:02] Epicea Eilde: can u explain us?
[14:02] Lance Kanno: ist still on the web
[14:02] Oda Onmura: Your works might not survive the next client update.
[14:02] Helfe Ihnen: those gallery owners of you who are here to talk in the club - we will do it later
[14:02] hari Kamachi: artworks only survive due to the care of conservators
[14:02] You decline Two-Spirit Art Gallery, Sonata (161, 238, 276) from A group member named Joy Bellman.
[14:03] Lance Kanno: i dont think we can talk about lasting in sl, do you?
[14:03] Oda Onmura: Thats my point.
[14:03] Carstanius Fredriksson: so the time is now :)
[14:03] Epicea Eilde: ephemer
[14:03] Lance Kanno: absolute epeherm
[14:03] Epicea Eilde: hehe
[14:04] ishwish Planer: I think most , maybe all art is really just a captured moment in time. The natural way is...nothing is permanent.
[14:04] Epicea Eilde: it's that it's interesting
[14:04] Lance Kanno: but i like the idea of having ephemere work
[14:04] Lance Kanno: if you want to make it last you can buy it
[14:04] Epicea Eilde: yes
[14:04] You (Bedu): Maybe we can talk about envolving in SL...
[14:04] SuperTeleport Base 2 whispers: Destination selection timed out. Click the base to try again.
[14:04] Lance Kanno: thats the only way to make my work last
[14:04] spinster Voom: got to go, bye folks and thx lance xx
[14:05] Epicea Eilde: bye spinster
[14:05] Lance Kanno: bye spinster
[14:05] Marianne Sewell: bye
[14:05] illusion Igaly: gute nacht all
[14:05] Lance Kanno: gute nacht
[14:05] Marianne Sewell: :)
[14:05] Helfe Ihnen: gute Nacht
[14:05] Shanta Fargis: helfe ihnen -
[14:05] Epicea Eilde: " boone nuit"
[14:05] Lance Kanno: so idont know if anyone read the concept next to the collages?
[14:05] Shanta Fargis: hallo hallo
[14:05] Epicea Eilde: :)))
[14:05] Epicea Eilde: bonne*
[14:05] Shanta Fargis: ich bin wieder da
[14:05] Lance Kanno: hallo hallo
[14:05] Helfe Ihnen: ja Shanta
[14:06] Helfe Ihnen: sehr schˆn
[14:06] Shanta Fargis: wie bringe ich jemanden hier her?
[14:06] Oda Onmura: I have read it.
[14:06] Shanta Fargis: wie geht das nochmal?
[14:06] Epicea Eilde: not me..:((
[14:06] illusion Igaly: lance ich mach noch ein foto von uns beiden ;=)
[14:06] You (Bedu): I have read too
[14:06] Epicea Eilde: i don't inderstand geramn
[14:06] Helfe Ihnen: Hey everybody what do you think shall we have a party in the club and talk there?
[14:06] Epicea Eilde: :(
[14:06] Epicea Eilde: good idea!!
[14:06] Lance Kanno: the concept is about making the digital ephemere work last amd using the power of the economy for it
[14:07] Helfe Ihnen: shanta schick einen Teleport ¸ber sein Profil
[14:07] Carstanius Fredriksson: im in
[14:07] Lance Kanno: i make o foto of us illusion :)
[14:07] Oda Onmura: Ops we are on the brink to the next discussion about capitalism.
[14:08] Helfe Ihnen: fox flirts :))
[14:09] You (Bedu): I need to go. It's soap opera time. Thanks to all. Congratulations for your work lance.
[14:09] Helfe Ihnen: ok lets have a party now in the sub club under the orange stage
[14:09] You (Bedu): Se you, folks.
[14:09] Lance Kanno: by bedu
[14:09] Epicea Eilde: bye hendu
[14:09] Lance Kanno: nice to meet you
[14:09] Epicea Eilde: bedu oups*
[14:09] Marianne Sewell: bye
[14:09] Carstanius Fredriksson: see u bedu
[14:09] Helfe Ihnen: if you want to discuss again we will redo it next week same time
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[14:09] Oda Onmura: Bye everyone!
[14:09] Helfe Ihnen: bye oda
[14:09] Lance Kanno: bye oda
[14:09] Epicea Eilde: bye oda
[14:09] You (Bedu): Bye
[14:09] Carstanius Fredriksson: bye Oda
[14:09] Marianne Sewell: bye oda
[14:09] Epicea Eilde: se u